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    Has there been a reduction in the experience gains for energy recently? Doing some testing on 5 energy/stamina hits has shown that 1 stamina gives almost exactly twice as much exp as 1 energy, which ties in with the cost of stamina being twice that of energy. From my point of view, it's meaning that I'm constantly falling 4,000 experience short of levelling if I use all my energy and stamina on a Jorm. which is 1,000 more than it was a week ago. I had been boosting my energy recently, so I could level more quickly on Jorms, but that no longer seems the case.

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    Its normal i think. You will get 1 to 2XP per energy spent and 1 to 5XP per stamina spent.
    This number could be affected by quicken mind buff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veny View Post
    Its normal i think. You will get 1 to 2XP per energy spent and 1 to 5XP per stamina spent.
    This number could be affected by quicken mind buff.
    I've recorded it over several hundred hits and it averages at 1 energy = 1.5 exp and 1 stamina = 3.0 exp. The experience rewards for energy seems to have decreased recently as I had it as 1.6 when I last did a calculation a week or so ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam Tatlock View Post
    I've recorded it over several hundred hits and it averages at 1 energy = 1.5 exp and 1 stamina = 3.0 exp. The experience rewards for energy seems to have decreased recently as I had it as 1.6 when I last did a calculation a week or so ago.
    As i said ...
    It makes sence since 2 energy = 1 stamina in LSI/SP cost.
    All energy raids are giving 50% XPs compared to stamina raids. Unless you have Machaon/Tollo, there are almost no XP benefits from doing energy raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam Tatlock View Post
    I've recorded it over several hundred hits and it averages at 1 energy = 1.5 exp and 1 stamina = 3.0 exp. The experience rewards for energy seems to have decreased recently as I had it as 1.6 when I last did a calculation a week or so ago.
    well the difference of 1.5 and 1.6 could end up being round off errors really.

    and as been said, you sure you using the same amount of QM/haste items as before?


    and much better question, just what level are you? there is an XP jump at level 1000 and level 1500 if I remember right. is possible you just crossed one of those boundries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowstar View Post
    well the difference of 1.5 and 1.6 could end up being round off errors really.

    and as been said, you sure you using the same amount of QM/haste items as before?


    and much better question, just what level are you? there is an XP jump at level 1000 and level 1500 if I remember right. is possible you just crossed one of those boundries.
    XP jump is more XPs needed to new level ... not less XPs per S/H/E spent ... i hope
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    Quote Originally Posted by veny View Post
    XP jump is more XPs needed to new level ... not less XPs per S/H/E spent ... i hope
    he is talking about having a consistently larger shortfall between leveling....

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    The XP jumps are at levels 500 and 1k. No jump at 1,500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereticBlood View Post
    5PG has made it so that stamina build is no longer an option. Those who went pure stamina can only envy those who went pure energy.
    No build is "no longer an option"...as has already been stated by Su1, Mace, and others, you are grossly blowing the Jorm Effect out of proportion. If you are a BSI-focused player, sure, Jorms are smart to hit with energy but you still won't get the returns you think you're getting...break down the math of it sometime - I can critique it later. End result: If BSI is the only thing you care about and you want a BSI of 70+, a balanced build is the easiest way, albeit stam-heavy builds have had a better shot for years, and energy-heavy builds now have a chance. Just because 1 new energy raid shows up that has decent tiers and doesn't die in 5 minutes doesn't mean I regret my 5000 stamina.

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    I'm an almost total E build(I built even out to lvl 60 then went screw it I'm goin for E, haven't added to stam since... fastforward 1.1k lvls later) and perc is my only stat dump... before jorms happened. Now? Still an almost total E build, Still dump stats into perc., I rarely quest now, though. On a happier note my perc is growing much faster now that I can farm with nearly 8k energy compared to just 220 stamina.
    Gamplay ruined? Not in my opinion. Perception useless? Not in my book.

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    lol at the 220 stam, as mixed build ( with little more energy) im happy i can enjoy any modifications 5pg can bring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seiken View Post
    lol at the 220 stam, as mixed build ( with little more energy) im happy i can enjoy any modifications 5pg can bring.
    I thought having little stam would make my life easier... it did. 'Till Jorms came out at least. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrolizard View Post
    I'm an almost total E build(I built even out to lvl 60 then went screw it I'm goin for E, haven't added to stam since... fastforward 1.1k lvls later) and perc is my only stat dump... before jorms happened. Now? Still an almost total E build, Still dump stats into perc., I rarely quest now, though. On a happier note my perc is growing much faster now that I can farm with nearly 8k energy compared to just 220 stamina.
    Gamplay ruined? Not in my opinion. Perception useless? Not in my book.
    If you rarely quest what is the point in dumping stats into perception? Quest is the only area that perception matters and Perception 2 is stil an unknown quantity.

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    you just got almost none before and now you finally have a way to get a decent amount of SP.
    In theory, anyway.
    Myself, I'll have to keep questing. Because after doing that for years, my BSI and gear are lagging so far behind of the average that I couldn't get much out of Jorgs even if I sank all of my energy into them. Same goes for all raids that require billions of damage. Not to mention that most tiers of WRs and ERs (and achievements) are far beyond my reach, which further limits my raiding power.

    If anything, this is far better for balanced builds and players with something like 80% stamina / 20% energy. Since they'll be able to get more out of energy now.

    Should've definitely gone with stamina build back when I started playing, and simply ignored perception and all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaltys View Post
    In theory, anyway.
    Myself, I'll have to keep questing. Because after doing that for years, my BSI and gear are lagging so far behind of the average that I couldn't get much out of Jorgs even if I sank all of my energy into them. Same goes for all raids that require billions of damage. Not to mention that most tiers of WRs and ERs (and achievements) are far beyond my reach, which further limits my raiding power.

    If anything, this is far better for balanced builds and players with something like 80% stamina / 20% energy. Since they'll be able to get more out of energy now.

    Should've definitely gone with stamina build back when I started playing, and simply ignored perception and all that.
    It's never late to start and considering jorm is aquatic you shouldnt have problems dealing 3b dmg to them.
    /7k+ energy and around 2,3k stamina build here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darklife View Post
    If you rarely quest what is the point in dumping stats into perception? Quest is the only area that perception matters and Perception 2 is stil an unknown quantity.
    Adding to att, once you get some good legions has a very, very tichy effect on damage. Plus I have 220 stam... Doing a couple of hundred thousand more damage per hit is reaaly gonna have such an big effect on my total damage per lvl?

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    I know the drop rate for Giant's Chest and Giant King's Chest is tiny on a Jorm (I think I've managed three from over a thousand raids), but is there an optimum range for even having a chance of one? Is it better to concentrate on the 3b tier, 5b, 10b, etc?

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