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    Damage Procs Thread (4th gen)

    Dawn of the Dragons - Damage Procs

    This is a continuation of the Damage Procs data collection originally done by Rhapsodii, Alyxe, and most recently AlonT, documenting the Damage Procs from Generals, Troops, Items and Runes.

    For starters, a Google Doc has been compiled with all the current information. The utmost respect and thanks goes out to AlonT for transferring the previous data from the Forums (where it could be lost in the event of a wipe) to this Google Document.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...jE5c2VEZUNNMUE


    And now, for the supplemental information:





    Many thanks, to all who have contributed to this collection of data. From the current operators of the Damage Procs sheet, we truly to appreciate your assistance, feedback, and commitment to the cause
    ~LanderZ & Scuzoid


    Edit (2013-07-31):
    Updated for Tinkerballa. Please read the rules regarding Testing her Procs.
    Edit (2013-10-08): Updated for the Multi-Proc rules, on things with multiple lines of procs that must be accounted for.
    Edit (2013-11-02): Updated for Zaboo's new double-proc.
    Edit (2013-11-18): Updated for Bladezz Crit note regarding talking about Crits.
    Edit (2014-03-23): Updated for various Festival items and Golden Lady.
    Last edited by LanderZ; 24th March 2014 at 04:53.
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    Great work Lander. One suggestion, something I always thought that was missing on that doc is a way to sort them other than alphabetically. For example, if you want to see what's the best average damage mount, you can't do that right now... or I haven't figured out how to do it yet.

    Thanks for all the effort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kutai View Post
    Great work Lander. One suggestion, something I always thought that was missing on that doc is a way to sort them other than alphabetically. For example, if you want to see what's the best average damage mount, you can't do that right now... or I haven't figured out how to do it yet.
    Easiest way is to go File: Make a Copy. This will allow you to play with the data in a way that will help you the most.

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    I will read OP post carefully in the morning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kutai View Post
    Great work Lander. One suggestion, something I always thought that was missing on that doc is a way to sort them other than alphabetically. For example, if you want to see what's the best average damage mount, you can't do that right now... or I haven't figured out how to do it yet.

    Thanks for all the effort!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hater View Post

    Type Source # Procs Total Hits %
    Boots Blue Knight's Sabatons 182 1782 10.21
    Boots Grand Crusader's Greaves 41 561 7.31
    Boots Grandmaster-at-Arms Greaves 559 1121 49.87
    Chest Derek's Scale Armor 9 207 4.35
    Chest Drake-Slayer's Cuirass 75 1782 4.21
    Chest Grandmaster-at-Arms Cuirass 721 1431 50.38
    General Booma 150 1782 8.42
    General Kalevra 153 1695 9.03
    General Kowra Snowfur 98 1695 5.78
    General Locar Kessov 89 1782 4.99
    General Mazlo 97 1695 5.72
    General Milaku 202 1695 11.92
    General Rassera the Stone-Palmed 91 1695 5.37
    General Sister Halwia 91 1695 5.37
    General Sundlac 99 1695 5.84
    General Thaddeus 62 1695 3.66
    General Tussao 118 1782 6.62
    Gloves Drake-Slayer's Vambraces 91 1782 5.11
    Gloves Grand Crusader's Vambraces 45 561 8.02
    Gloves Grandmaster-at-Arms Gauntlets 544 1121 48.53
    Helm Drake-Slayer's Armet 69 1782 3.87
    Helm Grand Crusader's Helm 40 561 7.13
    Helm Grandmaster-at-Arms Helm 565 1121 50.40
    MH Imperial General's Gladius 133 1431 9.29
    MH Imperial Senator's Sceptrum 90 1782 5.05
    MH Siege Master's Axe 27 251 10.76
    MH SoCK2 5 100 5.00
    Mount Giant Tortoise 77 1596 4.82
    Mount Loyalist's Steed 39 324 12.04
    Mount Qilin of the Wandering Warrior 121 1820 6.65
    OH Drake-Doom Bulwark 27 207 13.04
    OH Echidnan Bulwark 48 1009 4.76
    OH Grand Crusader's Shield 41 561 7.31
    OH Imperial Senator's Codex 86 1782 4.83
    Pants Blue Knight's Cuisses 157 1695 9.26
    Pants Derek's Breeches 17 207 8.21
    Pants Drake-Doom Cuisses 78 957 8.15
    Pants Grand Crusader's Cuisses 25 561 4.46
    Ring Grand Crusader's Sign 37 561 6.60
    Ring Loyalist's Ring 96 1531 6.27
    Ring Mark of Terracles 32 251 12.75
    Rune Greater Dragon-Killer, Blue 14 251 5.58
    Rune Keelta 541 1782 30.37
    Rune Muurnin 11 230 4.64
    Rune Perliris 20 331 5.94
    Rune Severed Qwiladrian Head 174 1622 10.73
    Rune Suinha 1 100 1.00
    Troop Mulew 189 1782 10.61

    Drops
    Source # Drops %
    SoCK2 (Sword Fanatic) 1 1.00
    Tussao (Mount) 7 0.39
    Here is one of the more recent posts by Hater in the 3rd gen thread. The % column isn't really necessary, and is added work for the people posting, but it does serve a purpose for anyone taking a cursory glance wanting to see "about" what to expect. Forgot to account for multiple runes though.

    I commonly only post 2-5 procs to add to the spreadsheet as most of what I have is already fairly well tested, when I do post data. Something that small doesn't really require such extensive categorizing when posting. Hater's post wasn't small though, and posting it like this makes a world of difference.

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    Picking up where was left off in 3rd gen thread, here's my guess on the current Pelari Gwun Griffin forumula.

    Base Damage * X% up to a cap of 100k per stam.
    3 damage per 1 perception per 1 stam * Y%
    Y% = 100k/1k - X%

    The cap isn't an exact number. Just something I pulled out of the air to show I'm fairly certain their is a cap on the mounts base damage. From what I saw with lilly's numbers, the bigger the base hit, the smaller the overall damage (implying a cap somewhere) but no clear cap was established potentially because the perception damage is a flat number that fluctuates. 100k cap could be wrong, as could 3 damage*percep per stam but that seemed to get close enough to give someone else an idea just how awkward this mount is. In the end, I'm fairly certain this mount is still bugged as it makes no sense the more damage your base does, the less overall damage the mount does. If someone hasn't already reported it's still a buggy mount, might want to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shikao87 View Post
    I will read OP post carefully in the morning.



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    Sorry Scuzoid, I was calculating my multiples wrong. I was dividing my procs by the number of items equipped instead of multiplying my total hits by multiples...my future compilations shall be correctly calculated. Trying to help get them reds to purples and those purples to blacks! Have fun out there!

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    No need to apologize. There really isn't any particular need for you to go even that far. As I said, the % column in that table is just added work for you and other posters, and isn't particularly necessary for the spreadsheet itself. On that same vein, no real need for you to multiply the total hits with runes equipped by the number of runes when you can just add "Severed Head x2" or "Keelta x9" to the source column and skip any math on your part as categorizing a post that size takes enough of your time to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuzoid View Post
    No need to apologize. There really isn't any particular need for you to go even that far. As I said, the % column in that table is just added work for you and other posters, and isn't particularly necessary for the spreadsheet itself. On that same vein, no real need for you to multiply the total hits with runes equipped by the number of runes when you can just add "Severed Head x2" or "Keelta x9" to the source column and skip any math on your part as categorizing a post that size takes enough of your time to begin with.
    hmmm, I see...but I am a spreadsheet nerd and have already worked out the formulas...

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    519*20 hits, all gen at lv5...sundlac still sucks monkey *** with that proc rate...
    Name / proc times / proc damage
    Bicorn? 219 / various
    Mina2 55 / 7,175
    Dahrizon 21 / 294,749
    Vornex 42 / 212,380 (full synergy)
    Faustus 43 /various
    Fontella 28 / 313,834
    Mulew 68 / 20,500 (no synergy)
    Sundlac 29 / 172,200 (full boost)
    Kraglo 98 / 138,375 (full synergy)
    Shizuko 68 / 252,560 (full synergy)
    Mathias 38 / 219,135 (unsure)
    Machadon 112 / NA
    Rezla 48 / 272,650 (not against siege)

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    1212 total x1 stamina hits on bandit queen event raid.
    all gens lvl 5, no crit rate gear on.
    Total Hits 1212
    Total Crits 24


    first time posting, trying to get it right, I increased the total hits on the runes not on the procs.


    Slot Item Name Proc Count Total Hits Proc %
    Boots Derek's Boots 57 1212 4.70%
    Boots Sabatons of the Breaking Dawn 71 1212 5.86%
    Chest Derek's Scale Armor 74 1212 6.11%
    Chest Cuirass of the Breaking Dawn 64 1212 5.28%
    Gen Kalevra 106 1212 8.75%
    Gen Bernard Bronzefist 43 1212 3.55%
    Gen Mina v2 94 1212 7.76%
    Gen Mina v2 health 94 1212 7.76%
    Gen Dahrizon 39 1212 3.22%
    Gen Ridolphus 129 1212 10.64%
    Gen Fontella D'tang 61 1212 5.03%
    Gen Sundlac the Chucker 98 1212 8.09%
    Gen Sir Walter of the Breaking Dawn 70 1212 5.78%
    Gen Thaddeus the Protector 51 1212 4.21%
    Gen Milaku 123 1212 10.15%
    Gloves Derek's Wristguards 45 1212 3.71%
    Gloves Gauntlets of the Breaking Dawn 63 1212 5.20%
    Helm Derek's Helm 61 1212 5.03%
    Helm Helm of the Breaking Dawn 83 1212 6.85%
    MH Drake-Doom Slayer 136 1212 11.22%
    MH Blade of the Breaking Dawn 74 1212 6.11%
    Mount Silent Stallion 65 1212 5.36%
    Mount Drake of the Breaking Dawn 93 1212 7.67%
    OH Drake-Doom Bulwark 126 1212 10.40%
    OH Shield of the Breaking Dawn 74 1212 6.11%
    Pants Derek's Breeches 58 1212 4.79%
    Pants Cuisses of the Breaking Dawn 59 1212 4.87%
    Ring Ring of the Breaking Dawn 82 1212 6.77%
    Ring Violet Knight's Ring 110 1212 9.08%
    Rune Keelta (Rune) x3 1099 3636 30.23%
    Rune Suinha (Rune) x2 56 2424 2.31%
    Troop MuleW 146 1212 12.05%


    /edited to remove tussao wrong numbers.
    Last edited by Enire; 21st June 2013 at 16:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enire View Post

    I used the log analyzer, I dont think it is working for tussao's procs cause of the mimic?

    Just go to the item section and count how many mounts you got. Asumming you do not have any other way to generate mounts (sillent stalion) you can get the rate from there.

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    1265 20x hits on Blood of the bandit queen, no crit gear.

    Total Hits Total DMG Avg. DMG Total Crits Crit Chance Total XP Avg. XP Total Gold Avg. Gold
    1265 10,486,330,472 8,289,589 20 1.58 % 49,841 39 3,656,285 2,890


    Proc Name Proc Count Proc % Avg. DMG / Proc Avg. DMG / Hit Total DMG
    Ivan 83 6.56 % 66,010 4,331 5,478,830
    Tussao (Damage proc with 58 mounts) 78 6.16 % 209,510 12,918 16,341,780
    Bernard Bronzefist 48 3.79 % 208,218 7,901 9,994,464
    Mina2 107 8.46 % 7,175 607 767,725
    Mina2 (Heal) 107 8.46 % 0 0 0
    Genevieve 129 10.20 % 229,600 23,414 29,618,400
    Dahrizon 46 3.64 % 208,218 7,572 9,578,028
    Dark Blessing (2 SS equiped, 5,5%~procrate) 140 11.07 % 16,585,834 1,835,586 2,322,016,776
    Ridolphus 101 7.98 % 71,750 5,729 7,246,750
    Derek's Daring (Chest) 59 4.66 % 233,700 10,900 13,788,300
    Derek's Daring (Legs) 67 5.30 % 223,450 11,835 14,971,150
    Derek's Daring (Ring) 63 4.98 % 233,700 11,639 14,723,100
    Doom of Drakes (Helm) 138 10.91 % 153,750 16,773 21,217,500
    Doom of Drakes (Boots) 117 9.25 % 153,750 14,220 17,988,750
    Doom of Drakes (MH) 111 8.77 % 153,750 13,491 17,066,250
    Mulew 126 9.96 % 20,500 2,042 2,583,000
    Sundlac 91 7.19 % 172,200 12,388 15,670,200
    Iulian Way of Life (MH) 62 4.90 % 205,000 10,047 12,710,000
    Iulian Way of War (OH) 114 9.01 % 102,500 9,237 11,685,000
    Keelta (Rune) (4x, 30,69% each) 1553 122.77 % 20,500 25,167 31,836,500
    Mathias' Mastery (Ring) 78 6.17 % 101,712 6,272 7,933,500
    Abbess Catherine 122 9.64 % 28,700 2,768 3,501,400
    Thaddeus 42 3.32 % 238,210 7,909 10,004,820
    Locar Kessov 71 5.61 % 80,360 4,510 5,705,560
    Sylvan Guardian (Gloves) 128 10.12 % 128,084 12,960 16,394,752
    Sylvan Guardian (Legs) 112 8.85 % 128,084 11,340 14,345,408
    Sylvan Guardian (Helm) 106 8.38 % 128,084 10,733 13,576,904
    Sylvan Guardian (OH) 140 11.07 % 128,084 14,175 17,931,760
    Sylvan Guardian (Boots) 143 11.30 % 128,084 14,479 18,316,012
    Milaku 152 12.02 % 100,450 12,070 15,268,400
    Warrior of the Drake War (Chest) 64 5.06 % 225,500 11,409 14,432,000
    Warrior of the Drake War (Gloves) 73 5.77 % 225,500 13,013 16,461,500
    Zumara 911 72.02 % 267,335 192,523 243,541,886


    Item Name Item Count Drop %
    Avenger 1 0.08 %
    Caelian Stallion 1 0.08 %
    Silent Stallion 25 1.98 %
    Stone Scorpion Steed 1 0.08 %
    Tiger 1 0.08 %

    So a 0,99% rate for SS summon and a 0,031% on Tussao.

    Link to raw data
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    2 things

    1) If you're using the Proc analyzer, you have to count Tussao procs manually [just search for his different damages; not too hard], as his Mimics don't count as procs.

    2) I'm going to make a list of things you cannot test simultaneously. Among them will be Troop summoners (Rolands, Mathias, Bertram, Jacinta, Disan OH, SoCK's) and Mount summons (Tussao, Silent Stallion, Shadowsteed, etc.)

    We can't accept data that includes both Tussao + Silent Stallion summons, because we don't know if any given Stallion came from Tuss, or from the SS.
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    Brief point about Silent Stallion:

    (181/1536) 11.78%, but with two Silent Stallion equiped, that is 5.89% per Stallion.
    (34/1536) 2.21% Stallion created, that it 1.1% per Stallion.

    I guess the spreadsheet is inaccurate, but it still needs more data.

    Source: http://www.fooby.de/dotd/log.php?id=51c22a3057b23

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrarian View Post
    Brief point about Silent Stallion:

    (181/1536) 11.78%, but with two Silent Stallion equiped, that is 5.89% per Stallion.
    (34/1536) 2.21% Stallion created, that it 1.1% per Stallion.

    I guess the spreadsheet is inaccurate, but it still needs more data.

    Source: http://www.fooby.de/dotd/log.php?id=51c22a3057b23
    The sheet is currently 11/421, so.... yeah. More data needed =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by LanderZ View Post
    2 things

    1) If you're using the Proc analyzer, you have to count Tussao procs manually [just search for his different damages; not too hard], as his Mimics don't count as procs.

    2) I'm going to make a list of things you cannot test simultaneously. Among them will be Troop summoners (Rolands, Mathias, Bertram, Jacinta, Disan OH, SoCK's) and Mount summons (Tussao, Silent Stallion, Shadowsteed, etc.)

    We can't accept data that includes both Tussao + Silent Stallion summons, because we don't know if any given Stallion came from Tuss, or from the SS.
    The procs i posted are with all the mimics removed. Your point 2 stands though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenno View Post
    The procs i posted are with all the mimics removed. Your point 2 stands though.
    Also, please edit your post to show the Item names, not Proc names.
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